I ordered these again because i had a set and liked the overall sound loudness and bass response. Wide open volume is a bit harsh and the bass sort of fades but only at extreme volume. These are louder than most all buds ive had inc bluetooth buds. The ones i originally started w are still going and my 12 yr old has had them for months so i ordered more for me to listen when my bluetooth dies. Buy themb and try them. For the price trust me you have wasted more money on b.s..